Juncker calls Brexit talks on citizens’ rights ‘nonsense’

Jack Boot

He’s certainly willing to risk 1 million EU jobs for his own pride after losing the UK.
Using the EU in his own personal little war with the UK !
Compromise is a two way thing, give and take…
The old, you give (UK), we take (EU), doesn’t hack it… ?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 1:58 PM CEST


My Juncker might well consider why there is so much ‘nonsense’ talked about regarding citizens’ rights. It would help if he looked in the mirror. He demands that the supreme court of the European Union (ECJ) exercise extraterritorial jurisdiction over a select minority of foreigners living in the UK after Brexit. This ridiculous demand has nothing to so with citizens’ rights and is all about EU megalomania.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 2:02 PM CEST

When things are difficult, you have to lie

His hatred towards Brits is astonishing. Should be controlled and blocked

Posted on 10/13/17 | 2:05 PM CEST


There we have it; compromise means do exactly what the EU says…. Tell me again why people voted to leave? Or more precisely explain to me how this ties in to the remainers view points?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 2:35 PM CEST


We’ve got Prince Phillip they’ve got Juncker, fair’s fair.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 2:36 PM CEST


And we wonder why EUbots talk utter sh|t ?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 2:38 PM CEST



Doesn’t Prince Philip fall under the term “guilty pleasure” as he tend’s to get people laughing before they think how inappropriate he can be – come to think of it, perhaps he just reflects the British character from the “good old days” otherwise known as the future for UKIPpers….

Anyway, Juncker has yet to make me laugh, but I frequently think he is being inappropriate with his comments – so is it me or him?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 2:56 PM CEST


The funny thing is that the EU is saying in a leaked document that talks need to be held amongst the EU27 to prepare their position for any talks about trade. The thing to notice here is that the EU has not yet got a common position regarding trade. This is an admission that regardless of what the UK had agreed to, the EU is still not ready to proceed. So even though M. Barnier posed for photographers with more pieces of paper in front of him than Mr. Davis, it was actually M. Barnier who was not ready fully prepared for the talks.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:01 PM CEST



I laugh at him because of how ridiculous and inappropriate the things he says are. Didn’t know I needed to have a full post laugh analysis.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:04 PM CEST



Sorry, didn’t mean to come across as critical – I agree that it is comical, but my personality type goes for tragic laughter. It is frightening that he is the President of what EU supporters say is a future super-state, but I suppose Trump has already beaten him to be the first comic in charge of a super-state!

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:13 PM CEST


Mr. Juncker is right (in this instance). The UK is trying to dodge the bill of numerous long-term financial commitments. Where I disagree with Mr. Juncker is that I don’t care under what heading the UK books its payment, as long as it pays. No real need to be able to point and say “Look the UK budged and is paying its Brexit bill.”. As long as the UK pays it’s welcome to call it a voluntary gesture of good will. But pay it shall.

What the UK categorically refuses to understand is that will not be getting a better negotiation result by starting from an unreasonable position.

Negotiations aren’t by definition: “Let’s split the difference”.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:24 PM CEST


EU citizenship is ‘additional’ to a Member-State’s nationality (Article 20(1) TFEU) and has no free-standing character for a non-member state. So all nonsense comes from the EU and not the UK. The offer made to EU citizens in the UK is more than fair and generous and you want us to go further and treat them as a “superior” class of being.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:30 PM CEST



Yes Joducus we know what he says is effective.

Negotiations are always let’s split the difference if a difference exists.

Another useless analogy into the bargain, who goes out for a drink pays their way in rounds, leaves and is expected to pay for rounds the remaining drinkers drink, the nightclub and hooker later, the taxi home for the rest of the year.? Juncker.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:35 PM CEST

François P

Juncker isn’t a great communicator. But I don’t see any problem with these statements. Just a rephrasing of EU position in a somewhat folksy language.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:35 PM CEST


François P
Agreed, he’s playing to his audience which is what they all do. He is trivialising the ECJ issue though and inferring it is us being unreasonable, well if it is trivial drop it and we can wrap that citizen issue up really quickly.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:41 PM CEST


Same with the infamous bill. We already make member payments for budget and non-budget items and will do so right until we leave, and apparently beyond that according to Theresa May. The UK electorate for the most part don’t support the latter and “no deal” is increasingly becoming seen as the only true Brexit that honours the result of the referendum.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:45 PM CEST

John Brown

“European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker on Friday urged the U.K. to pay its Brexit bill “now” and called discussions on the issue of citizens’ rights “nonsense.””

Where can I find a copy of this bill ?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:48 PM CEST

Jack Boot

“What the UK categorically refuses to understand is that will not be getting a better negotiation result by starting from an unreasonable position.”

An unreasonable starting position is:
Making 3 unreasonable demands (all of which are a distortion of the reality) before any negotiations start…

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 3:59 PM CEST

Bored Continental

British politicians have been bashing everithings EU since I can remember, now is EU’s doing it. I dont think personally that things should be heated up as they are, but it is interesting to see the British comments and how suddendly Brits are surprised of being criticized.
Anyway, I find Brexit a pity for Europe, but I can understand it. It had to come one day. Now let close the chapter without all the fuss and let look forward.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 4:12 PM CEST


Lets get the analogy correct Mr Junker, its like one of the only people out of 28 that buys a f*cking beer for 40 years and then decides you know what I think I have paid my share of rounds, why don’t you step up to the bar for a change and then walks out…

Posted on 10/13/17 | 4:17 PM CEST


It is the EU which owes the U money. It needs to buy out the UKs Stakes in all sorts of EU institutions. Starting with the EIB.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 4:27 PM CEST


Its funny as i am reading this Arctic Monkeys “When the Sun goes down” is on the Radio and the lyrics seem some how appropriate to my opinion of Junker

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:03 PM CEST


If you’re drinking in a bar and decide to leave do you still have to pay for the next round?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:05 PM CEST



If there was such a thing as a huge 100 billion divorce bill do you not think that the very powerful and well resourced ‘remain’ side and all the various European institutions trying to keep us in the EU would have mentioned the divorce bill?

The fact that no one mentioned it until recently suggests it was invented.

To this day we have no official estimate that links it to our supposed obligations.

Perhaps you can link to the official Eu document concerned?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:12 PM CEST

Mladen Stefanov

I am 100% agree with him, that is the way EUropeans thinking and behaving.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:20 PM CEST


So 28 people walk into a bar & start ordering drinks
– 15 make no net contribution to the kitty no matter how often the hat goes round
– 1 makes a contribution equivalent to or greater than the total kitty contributions of 5-6 of the remainers
– that 1 decides that it doesn’t like where the majority of the group want to go next & decides to leave

Why exactly does that 1 member of the group still have any obligation to continue to subsidise the remainers after they leave?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:24 PM CEST

Thomas B.

So the man who wants to become a dictator, with his own army, and his own Finance Minister, says the UK should pay.

It’s Friday. I’m guessing he’s had a long liquid lunch break.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:28 PM CEST

Perfidious Albino

The UK voted to leave – the EU is under ABSOLUTELY NO OBLIGATION to give the UK anything.

Just pay your bills and go.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:32 PM CEST


” Juncker calls Brexit talks on citizens’ rights ‘nonsense’ ”

Fair point, non-UK citizens are welcome to stay & if they do so they will be subject to the laws of the UK – period.

Perhaps in a befuddled state of mind after 28 beers Junker has forgotten that he may just have had some role in putting this “nonsense” on the agenda ….

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:37 PM CEST


@Perfidious Albino

The UK voted to leave – the UK is under ABSOLUTELY NO OBLIGATION to give the EU anything.

There corrected that for you. ?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:42 PM CEST


The Brits just want to leave the EU with least financial obligations for their leaving, and keep their tail in the EU for trade, trade, trade, for they are not in a position to trade with the rest of the world or, at least without the EU hub. The british pound is no longer a world currency for trade. And the Brits know their economy is utterly precarious.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 5:45 PM CEST

E roberts

Why are we putting up with threats from these unelected nobodies lets just leave

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:00 PM CEST


The British defectors had never to do with the EU´s principles. The constant cherry-picking shows it since Tony Blair. But this man has become a sort of acolyte to the Middle East and the sheiks which have bought-up London´s real estate. The Brits have sold their country (London real estate) to the Arab sheiks for decades ago. Lawrence of Arabia had at least a bit of comiseration for the Arab culture, which he came to understand.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:03 PM CEST



I’m a bit baffled by your comment. The pound is still used for pricing futures on commodities such as cocoa. I’m struggling hard to think of any commodity future that is traded in Euros

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:06 PM CEST

Perfidious Albino

The EU needs to tell the UK where to go.

A hard Brexit will very nearly collapse the UK economy and that is what the EU should be aiming for at this point as it will bring 1000s of UK businesses to the EU.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:11 PM CEST


“If you’re drinking in a bar and decide to leave do you still have to pay for the next round?”

UK: no
EU: no
EU in UK: no
UK in EU: yes

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:13 PM CEST

Perfidious Albino

Do not trust that the UK will honour its financial commitments.

At any point the UK could have a referendum and decide not to pay what it previously agreed to pay.

Caveat Emptor !!

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:28 PM CEST


@Perfidious Albino
Have you had an afternoon tipple with Junker? ?
operation Cake and eat it is on. ?
The EU are already drawing up plans for trade. (just ask the Poles what they agreed in London last night)

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:36 PM CEST

Perfidious Albino


There’s no chance all 27 will agree with any UK deal.


Please show yourself the door.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:39 PM CEST


@Perfidious Albino
ask your Polish friends what they were talking about in London last night ?
Denmark have the same attitude, we will have to pay for some access but far far less than we currently pay in.

Why pay a bill if we don’t get a deal in return? Agree a deal and we pay (less), for access.

Lets see who’s right in the end, or tell me anytime the EU have not fudged a deal a the last minute.

Cake and eat it Perfidious cake and eat it.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:44 PM CEST


@ When things are difficult, you have to lie

“His hatred towards Brits is astonishing. Should be controlled and blocked”.

I understand it’s difficult to be told we are not sensical. But hatred really? That’s a little bit obsessive, isn’t it? Brexit meaning now: “they HATE us so much that we have decided to LEAVE them”. How could you be surprised they would think Brits must be mad?

Maybe lies are not so helpful to handle things that are difficult. For myself, I strongly believe that truth is much better than lies to face reality.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:50 PM CEST


EU sees the bill as financial commitments the UK must honor.
UK wants those financial commitments to be part of the negotiation to get an extension.
Who’s right? Imo, mostly the EU. I do agree however the UK should get a share of the EIB if they’re going to be liable, in case some countries default on payments.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:54 PM CEST


Junker’s bar analogy is quite correct. For years we have not only subsidised the alcohol dependency of some members of this “club” but we’ve also had to put up with the crap they spout when pissed and the consequences of their drunken actions. Maybe time to leave this bar and smash a few tables and chairs on the way out ?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:55 PM CEST


The nonsense is of his own creation. In the UK, all immigrants, including EU migrants, will be subject to UK law. In the EU countries, all immigrants, including UK migrants, will be subject to EU law. What is there not to understand?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 6:59 PM CEST


But what is stopping the EU from talking about a future trade negotiation given it is in everyone’s interest. If trade talks happened while the financial settlement was being agreed then both sides could claim victory and no one on either side of the argument has a trade deficit.
Politics is getting in the way of economics here but some countries are beginning to see the light,
“Bernd Kolmel, chairman of Germany’s Eurosceptic Liberal Conservative Reformers, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme there appeared to have been little progress between the first and fifth round of talks – something he described as a “disaster”.
He called on the EU to expand the talks to include its future relationships and trade with the UK.
Anders Vistisen, a Danish Eurosceptic MEP and vice-chair of the EU Parliament’s foreign affairs committee, agreed, adding: “The most integral thing is the future relationship. If we are making a bad trade deal for Britain we are also hurting ourselves.”
The document states that in order “to be fully ready”, EU leaders would ask Mr Barnier and his officials to start preparing now for a transition – albeit without actually starting to talk to the UK about it.”

Maybe it’s time for the EU to admit it got the negotiations wrong .

Posted on 10/13/17 | 7:02 PM CEST


Not forgetting the text from article 50,

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 7:06 PM CEST

Apocalyptic Chemist

Blar blar blar, we are all sick of your hateful rhetoric .

Posted on 10/13/17 | 7:17 PM CEST


Yes, both parties will be better off with a deal. However the UK did agree to first discuss the bill and then move on to trade.
If the EU walks back on it, it will be seen as folding and giving the impression the UK is in control of the negotiations. May has the same problem.
The reason EU gave at the time is the principle that “nothing is agreed until everything is agreed”, so they dont want to discuss trade if later on it turns out the UK wont pay what the EU deems fair or at least reasonable.
Second, time is on EU’s side, so although they both risk a bad outcome, it is the UK who will most likely suffer more with a no deal, that’s why the EU is willing to risk it.
Politics is very much a part of business.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 7:21 PM CEST

Perfidious Albino


Sorry, but Poland and Denmark do not call the shots in the EU.

It has already been decided by the EU that a hard Brexit is the goal as it will bring 1000s of UK businesses fleeing to the EU, bringing with them billions in revenues from both wage and corporate taxes.

Here in the EU we’re growing tired of having our cake and eating it too – and more cake arrives every day.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 7:27 PM CEST


Regardint your comment about art50. The bill is a political issue, not a legal one.
1 – Although UK is on good ground to not pay anything, it is still not 100% they would win in court.
2 – Like I said, the issue is mostly political. UK has committed itself to EU budget and so in EU’s mind, should be responsible for its share until the end. Sure the UK PROBABLY could just leave without paying, but it would definitely damage UK’s credibility.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 7:29 PM CEST


@Perfidious Albino
“It has already been decided by the EU that a hard Brexit is the goal as it will bring 1000s of UK businesses fleeing to the EU, bringing with them billions in revenues from both wage and corporate taxes.”
“The EU is to begin preparing for its post-Brexit trade negotiations with the UK, while refusing to discuss the matter with the British government.
An internal draft document suggests the 27 EU countries should discuss trade among themselves while officials in Brussels prepare the details.
The draft text could yet be revised.”
Does not sound like that to me. ?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 7:37 PM CEST

Perfidious Albino


I disagree. I think the UK is legally obligated to meet the financial commitments it agreed to in previous budgets.

I see the argument like this: The UK participated in budget negotiations and subsequently voted to approve and sign the budget agreement. Projects have now begun and monies have now been paid out. On June 23, 2016 the UK suddenly decides to unilaterally to withdraw from the EU – stiffing the other 27 with the bills.

I believe the UK active participation in budget negotiations plus its ‘Aye’ vote on the budget, plus it signature on the budget form a binding contract.

According to Article 50 when the UK leaves all EU treaties cease to apply from that point onward. The budget expenditures are past expenditures and must be honoured.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 7:47 PM CEST

Paul N.

The UK outside the European free trade area is a bad outcome for both parties. Unfortunately the UK has over the years shown itself to be a difficult partner, always asking for something special. Now, when the UK wants to leave, again she does not want to play by the rules. The EU has at the moment however a lot more important problems on its plate and is very much aware of the danger of giving the wrong impression of being too flexible to its diverse member states. The UK would be wise to not expect more from the EU than it is capable of. I hope and expect that in a couple of years the UK will reach an agreement with the EU like Norway now has, supported by a clear change of the public opinion in the UK. Norway is happy with this arrangement and I do not see why the UK would not. Let’s not throw mud at each other because that will only make things worse.
Best Regards from the Continent, Paul.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 8:20 PM CEST


Perfidious Albino

Then you’ll also agree that the 28 agreed to projects and benefits to which we will be entitled to cherry pick frome ranging from nothing to everything at our discretion.

Further the development investments that have been paid to net beneficiary countries will eventually yield benefits in the future which we of course signed up to and will be freely available to cherry pick from. Of course you can buy us out of this arrangement and will wqil offset the payments we are due to make against it.

Think of it as pre-paying Junckers bar bill so that we can all have a party later. See, we can negotiate after all.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 8:25 PM CEST


@Paul N

Yes Paul we know. The problem is you are rather sheep like and see the EU as your shepherd that you defer to for your every thought and instruction They say this is the rule and you all obediently baaa contentedly. Just because the EU say we must, doesn’t mean we must. First we must ascertain whether that rule does in fact exist. Turns out it doesn’t, unless I missed the part of the lisbon treaty that says once under ECJ always under ECJ, or the 28 must pay for the 27. Did I?

Posted on 10/13/17 | 8:31 PM CEST

Perfidious Albino


EU budgets don’t specify any ‘dividend’ payout based upon the completion of successful projects.

Let’s see what happens when the ICJ rules against the UK (remember, the ICJ is located in The Hague and the UK is bound by its decisions).

Think of the EU projects that the UK agreed to fund as ‘children’. The UK negotiated for these projects, voted ‘yes’ on the budget and signed it. Just as a father cannot run out on his child support neither can the UK renege on its financial obligations.

Failing to pay what it owes will have catastrophic consequences for the UK economy.

Keep that in mind.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 9:01 PM CEST

Only 40 MEPs present

“I am not hating the British. The Europeans have to be grateful for so many things Britain has brought to Europe, during war, before war after war, everywhere and every time, but now they have to pay. ” he said to laughter from the audience.”

What a despicable little man with no sense of history and the price avarage families in the Uk has payed by loosing love ones to free Europe from autoritarianism.


Posted on 10/13/17 | 9:25 PM CEST

Russiantroll catcher

@Only 40 MEPs present

Listen Comrade, tell Putin, the west will soon come for him.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 9:31 PM CEST



Eyes Only

1. i read Junckers comments at the Lux Uni; he was obviously inebriated, that Merkel lackey, sorry excuse for a politician

2.The EU is in its initial phase or coming apart; look at the Visegrad group for the next troubles

**Do Not give them one pound
**Tell em we’re leaving and we don’t owe you a dime
**Honor ur legendary humor n pull a Michael Corleone on them:
Tell Juncker: Here is our offer Mr President of the Commission: Nothing
not even the nominal annual contributions which we would appreciate if you return to us as we exit

Adios Jean Claude

Do it, just like that and mark my words: in 5 years will be on top n the europeans will be lining up for visas to come to your island

end of memo

Posted on 10/13/17 | 9:39 PM CEST


@Perfidious Albino
“Let’s see what happens when the ICJ”

The ICJ isn’t the ECJ. They will rule on International LAW not what is best for the further development of the EU. Besides, individual nations would have to bring a suit as far as I am aware. As there’s no contract between individual nations… and even if the EU could, that one line in article 50 absolves us and the EU of any perceived debt. Basically, you’d embarrass yourselves further.

Posted on 10/13/17 | 9:41 PM CEST


‘If you are sitting in a bar and if you are ordering 28 beers and then suddenly some of your colleagues is leaving and is not paying – that’s not feasible”… It is when you cover 20% of each round and own 20% of the bar Jean Claude. BTW the Southern members look like they’ve had one too many and the Greek guy may be dead. Your answer “28 Jaeger bombs!!!”

Posted on 10/13/17 | 9:44 PM CEST

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